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Cultists are useless without their tomes and magic infinite stun papers. You must go on the offense and aggressively stun and search anyone that looks suspicious and those that are not. Be wary as they will probably attempt to attack you.  
Cultists are useless without their tomes and magic infinite stun papers. You must go on the offense and aggressively stun and search anyone that looks suspicious and those that are not. Be wary as they will probably attempt to attack you.  


Upon reports of cult presence, immediately round up all security personnel, minus the warden.
Upon reports of cult presence, immediately round up all security personnel, minus the warden and the detective.
* Gear up.
* Gear up.
* Raid science in a group, confiscate all transfer valves, search all science staff and the RD.
* Raid science, confiscate all transfer valves, search all science staff and the RD.
* Rest and regroup,
* If any runes and/or tomes are found, call the detective to scan them for fingerprints and/or blood.  
* Raid medbay in a group as well. Search all staff, lockers, boxes.
* Rest and regroup.
* Raid medbay as well. Search all staff, lockers, boxes.
* Rest and regroup.
* Rest and regroup.
* Raid cargo.
* Raid cargo.
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* Rest and regroups can be replaced with roving patrols.
* Rest and regroups can be replaced with roving patrols.


Be vigilant when raiding departments. While you can let members cooperate and drop their bags themselves, if one person does something wrong e.g. if someone takes out a syringe gun, if someone gets too close, if someone does anything other than stand still, feel free to stun them. At worst you apologize and help them up. At best, you and your team mates don't die. Always check lockers and boxes.
Officers can either raid their own departments with the help of Beepsky and/or the AI, or all officers can systematically work as a group. Be vigilant when raiding departments. While you can let members cooperate and drop their bags themselves, if one person does something wrong e.g. if someone takes out a syringe gun, if someone gets too close, if someone does anything other than stand still, feel free to stun them. At worst you apologize and help them up. At best, you and your teammates don't die. Always check lockers and boxes.
 
Move in groups always. It takes one talisman for a cultist to kill someone but now it'll take two, and that's if he can talisman both before one at least shouts out a warning. The more the better essentially. Assuming you've taken out toxins, there should be no danger in traveling in large groups anyway.


It may help to switch around raid targets so cultists cannot hide cult paraphernalia. However, medbay and toxins remain priorities. Medbay in particular should be the focus of many raids. While it is impossible to search all of cargo and maint, given the mining station and maint access that they have, I personally think it's unwise to send expeditions to mining without evidence.
Move in groups always. It takes one talisman for a cultist to kill someone but now it'll take two, and that's if he can talisman both before one at least shouts out a warning. The more the better essentially. Assuming you've taken out toxins, there should be no danger in traveling in large groups anyway.  


The only threat to moving as a group is being hit by blind runes or blood boils. A couple things to remember:
The only threat to moving as a group is being hit by blind runes or blood boils. A couple things to remember:


'''''Never let three people stand around a rune you can see no matter what it takes.'''''
* '''''Never let three people stand around a rune you can see no matter what it takes.'''''
 
* If a rune goes down, '''''stun everyone in sight'''''. Flashbangs are good for this. Arcane Tomes have no in-hand sprites so examine people as often as you feel you're able to, because if you have 5 people lined up against a wall and a blood boil suddenly appears under one and the three people chant it, RIP you.
if a rune goes down, '''''stun everyone in sight'''''. Flashbangs are good for this. '''Arcane Tomes have no in-hand sprites so examine people as often as you feel you're able to''' because if you have 5 people lined up against a wall and a blood boil suddenly appears under one and the three people chant it, RIP you.


For that matter, while performing raids, do not let anyone stand in arm's reach of anyone else at any point ever.


==== A counter-argument to raiding ====
=== Deconverting Cult, aka: The chaplain is actually useful for once ===
Confirmed cultists -- anyone who is seen scribing or chanting by runes, anyone whose blood a rune was made of, or anyone carrying a tome in their backpack without an excellent reason -- are guilty of capital crimes and grounds for perma, execution or forced borging. Unfortunately, execution and forced borging tend to upset the AI, and any cultist with a tome with all the words and a private place to work is capable of teleporting other cultists out of perma. Straitjackets, which can be found in the medbay and insanity ward, can temporarily keep cultists restrained. But ultimately, you will want to deconvert them.


All these posts about organizing security and raiding departments is silly. All this does is tip the cult off and let them stash their shit, prepare traps, or just teleport to mining. Sitting outside science while you wait for officers to rally up sounds like a great way for Mr. Bombs McCultismer to wipe out all of active security with a single bomb.
Enter: the chaplain! The chaplain is immune to cult magic, his null rod is robust against cultists, and most importantly, he has the means to create holy water, the only method of deconverting cultists. Hitting a water tank with the Bible will turn all 1000 units or so of water in the tank into holy water, which should be more than enough for your needs (and if not, water tanks are plentiful and no one ever uses them except for this.) Hitting any container that contains unholy water with a bible as chaplain will also 'cleanse' the taint, but this will come up far less.
 
It's much more efficient and effective just to have each officer search their own department. If you're smart you can call Beepsky or have the AI track you (via PDA message) before conducting your searches. If AI is watching they can throw a dozen talismans on you but it won't save them from the AI/borgs coming down on them.
 
====A note on perma====
 
The [[Prison Wing|prison wing]] is a valuable tool in security's arsenal. Unfortunately, any cultist with a tome with all the words and a private place to work is capable of teleporting other cultists out of security's grasp. The only way to prevent this is to place prisoners in a straitjacket, which cult magic cannot penetrate. Straitjackets can be found in the medbay and Insanity Ward, and are a good way to restrain cultists while you deconvert them.
 
=== The chaplain is actually useful for once ===
The chaplain is immune to cult magic, his null rod is robust against cultists, and most importantly, he has the means to create holy water, the only method of deconverting cultists. Hitting a water tank with the Bible will turn all 1000 units or so of water in the tank into holy water, which should be more than enough for your needs (and if not, water tanks are plentiful and no one ever uses them except for this.) Hitting any container that contains unholy water with a bible as chaplain will also 'cleanse' the taint, but this will come up far less.


The deconversion process is simple: restrain a suspected or confirmed cultist and force-feed them holy water. This takes around 35 units and two minutes to succeed. It doesn't ''rely'' on cultists being tied up, but this makes it much more difficult for the cultist to suddenly vanish mid-deconversion (via teleportation), as cultists tend to do. If a cultist escapes, and his brother smacks him with a tome, the holy water in their system will become unholy water and the deconversion will fail, so don't let that happen.
The deconversion process is simple: restrain a suspected or confirmed cultist and force-feed them holy water. This takes around 35 units and two minutes to succeed. It doesn't ''rely'' on cultists being tied up, but this makes it much more difficult for the cultist to suddenly vanish mid-deconversion (via teleportation), as cultists tend to do. If a cultist escapes, and his brother smacks him with a tome, the holy water in their system will become unholy water and the deconversion will fail, so don't let that happen.


If there's no chaplain (and there probably won't be) you can still take the crusade into your own hands. Break into his office (or get the AI to let you in, preferably not over comms), steal his holy water, and start force-feeding it to people. Cargo can also order a religious supplies crate, which contains candles, bibles, robes, and most importantly holy water. This of course relies on cargo not being a hive of scum and cultism (and not ordering guns either), but you can always hijack their console. It helps if the HoP is on your side. The null rod will also make its bearer immune to cult magic if it is in their inventory, and it can destroy runes.  
If there's no chaplain (and there probably won't be) you can still take the crusade into your own hands. Break into his office (or get the AI to let you in, preferably not over comms), steal his holy water, and start force-feeding it to people. Cargo can also order a religious supplies crate, which contains candles, bibles, robes, and most importantly holy water. This of course relies on cargo not being a hive of scum and cultism (and not ordering guns either), but you can always hijack their console. It helps if the HoP is on your side. The null rod will also make its bearer immune to cult magic if it is in their inventory, and it can destroy runes.  
Confirmed cult activity -- anyone who is seen scribing or chanting by runes (or whose blood a rune was made of), invoking talismans, or carrying a tome in their backpack (without a very good reason, such as taking it to the crematorium to be destroyed) -- is technically grounds for execution (which doesn't necessarily keep cultists exterminated) or forced borging (which does). In general, deconversion is preferable. But know the options are there.


=== Remember a cult without tomes is a worthless cult ===
=== Remember a cult without tomes is a worthless cult ===
To reiterate, a cult being present is an acceptable reason for security to search everyone on the station, constantly. If Code Red hasn't already been set, it ought to be. It doesn't matter how much people whine and complain, taze their asses, handcuff them, take them somewhere private (ideally the brig), and search. Explain to them that there is a cult around and security can't take any chances. Every tome destroyed and cultist borged or executed is a step towards the station being safe again. All it takes is one cultist with a tome full of words to restart the cult, but if there are no tomes, and all the roundstart supply papers have been used up, the cult has no access to its magic, and as a result of this cannot expand.
To reiterate, a cult being present is an acceptable reason for security to search everyone on the station, constantly. If Code Red hasn't already been set, it ought to be. It doesn't matter how much people whine and complain, taze their asses, handcuff them, take them somewhere private (ideally the brig), and search. Explain to them that there is a cult around and security can't take any chances. Every tome destroyed and cultist borged or executed is a step towards the station being safe again. If it is safe to do so, open every closet and crate you have access to. You may get lucky and find a cultist's tome stash. Remember that the HoS and Detective can unlock personal lockers, and that examining a personal locker tells you who owns it.
 
If it is safe to do so, open every closet and crate you have access to. You may get lucky and find a cultist's tome stash. Remember that the HoS and Detective can access personal lockers (i.e. the ones by laundry), even locked ones, and that examining a personal locker tells you who owns it.
 
=== Detective, the forgotten comrade ===
Use the Detective's forensic scanner to discover whose blood that Rune belongs to. Simple.
 
Confiscated tomes can be scanned for fingerprints. This is particularly useful if a tome was found hidden away somewhere, rather than on a cultist's person.


=== Communicate ===
=== Communicate ===
Roll calls and more roll calls. Ping security staff so you know that they are alive. This is the responsibility of all security staff. As soon as the thought occurs to you to ask, ask. Not enough people do this. It makes people feel good knowing that their coworkers are looking out for them and in a practical sense, it lets you know when other people have died.
Roll calls and more roll calls. Ping security staff so you know that they are alive. This is the responsibility of all security staff. As soon as the thought occurs to you to ask, ask. Not enough people do this. It makes people feel good knowing that their coworkers are looking out for them and in a practical sense, it lets you know when other people have died.


Radio channels can be infiltrated by the cultists (remember the lawyers have security headsets and are not loyalty implanted). PDA messages can be read by the [[Chief Engineer]] (and the [[AI]] if they have the password), and PDAs can be lost and stolen. You ultimately have to decide for yourself whether the risk of the information falling into the wrong hands is worth the benefit of the information being disseminated.
Radio channels can be infiltrated by the cultists -- remember, lawyers have security headsets and are not loyalty implanted. PDA messages can be read by the [[Chief Engineer]] and the [[AI]] if it has the password, and PDAs can be lost and stolen. You ultimately have to decide for yourself whether the risk of the information falling into the wrong hands is worth the benefit of the information being disseminated.
 
=== Knowledge is power ===
If security is able to discover the cult without alerting the station you are at a distinct advantage. The cultists will have no idea that they are now at risk. If you get presented this opportunity exploit it to the maximum, you must go from the hunted into the hunter. Work together to keep information of the cult suppressed however quickly people will question why security is dragging and arresting people seemingly at random.


=== Implant important persons before the cult gets them ===
=== Implant important persons before the cult gets them ===
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=== Combat mechs are overpowered ===
=== Combat mechs are overpowered ===
'''''I typically find that if the RD and robos are well protected or implanted, a mech or two can stamp out a cult if they plan carefully enough. Bonus points if you get the RD department into Security so that the mech builds are utterly safe. – RG4'''''
If the RD and robos are well protected or implanted, a mech or two can stamp out a cult if they plan carefully enough. Bonus points if you get the RD department into Security so that the mech builds are utterly safe. Note that mechs (and cyborgs too) can be countered easily by the cultists with EMP talismans and runes, so this relies on the cult being ill-prepared.
 
Note that mechs (and cyborgs too) can be countered easily by the cultists with EMP talismans and runes, so this relies on the cult being ill-prepared.


=== Hulk with x-ray vision is even more overpowered ===
=== Hulk with x-ray vision is even more overpowered ===
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